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Title: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on February 21, 2016, 08:49:10 PM
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I thought about making this a throwaway in the random romps thread, but I've also been thinking about starting a "let's kickstart some stories/revise some shit/be writers again" thread.  The time is now.

Let's talk about writing, post funny stuff/kicks in the butt/etc., and see where it takes us.


(http://i.imgur.com/mw4S8im.jpg)

It's not too much of a stretch to say that this meme was the impetus for my decision to come out more publicly as a writer, and incidentally to launch this website.  It took longer than I expected, :/

This thread is for sharing stuff that makes you want to do your thing, makes you laugh about doing your thing, or gets you through the dark days when you don't think you'll ever do your thing.
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: jussr on February 22, 2016, 01:08:50 AM
I comfort myself with this (http://emmadarwin.typepad.com/thisitchofwriting/2010/12/the-common-scaffold.html) when I'm melting down over how I'm going to have to cut my past 8 hours of work!  IT'S SCAFFOLDING, NOT A WASTE; YOU'RE FINE.

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For example, at the macro level I see many novels where the real story doesn't start till Chapter 4: Chs 1-3 are all just trundling towards the starting grid. And then there's the cry that your research is showing; historical or geographical facts are deliciously seductive to the writer, and it's by making the detail believable that we get the reader to suspend their disbelief in the story. But we're storytelling, not writing a gazeteer or a history book, and anything that doesn't serve the story is weakening it.

... So don't beat yourself up. Ch1-3 are all backstory that you needed to work out: they're process writing, not a failure or mistake, and now they've achieved their purpose and can be cut.

... Instead of regarding such things as mistakes, maybe we should see them as a dressmaker's tacking stitches; the wooden scaffolding over which the arches of the bridge are formed; the paper collar round the soufflé dish that you take off once the gelatine has set. They're part of the fundamental nature and process of creating that thing.

That blog in general has been very useful and reassuring for me as I go along.
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on February 22, 2016, 09:27:05 PM
How to finish the novel you've been putting off.

http://ubyssey.ca/blog/andreas-schroeders-tips-for-finishing-your-novel/


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Figure out what kind of writer you are. Some writers need to understand every detail of the story before they even sit down to start writing it. Some just think of a plot and characters. Some need the base story arc. Others do not plan the story at all and let the story shape itself as they write it.

"There is no good way, no bad way, it just depends on how you are built. I know writers who know nothing about the book until they sit down to write it. For them, writing is exploring. I know people who need to work it out in excruciating detail -- for example, John Irving. John Irving says that he does not start the book until he knows the last line of the book," said Schroeder.


This bit particularly resonates:


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"Every writer has a little medicine bag," said Schroeder. "Nobody knew what was in it. If you opened it up and showed it to people, they would understand the significance of it. But it was for you, it was magic."
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: jussr on February 23, 2016, 03:55:27 AM
What'd you start with for your book, raven? :)
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on February 23, 2016, 07:05:20 AM
A hat.  A Victorian lady's riding hat.  Sort of like this, but red.

(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-14321164924962_2253_28089647)
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on February 23, 2016, 07:32:05 AM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/20/d9/90/20d990f0033f94839ed4c71923fce13d.jpg)
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on February 28, 2016, 01:11:06 PM
The Writer's Mary Sue Test for your characters (http://katfeete.net/writing/sue.php)

I'm surprised my main female character scores as well on this test as she does, given the genre, mutants/possible new subspecies aspect of it, and the cultural clashes that are a main aspect of the setting.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

The score for my main male character is comparable.  295 possible points.  They scored 17 and 20 respectively.
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: jussr on February 29, 2016, 12:54:54 AM
lol this test

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14 for my female main, 22 for the older male, 23 for the younger.  And yeah, the ones related to destiny got me on all of them, because magic is a standard part of the setting and the like.
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on March 04, 2016, 01:23:25 PM
"Isn't it funny how characters develop.
One of my characters was created simply because he owned a tractor and some chickens.
Now he's declaring war and killing people!"

- a writer I met on facebook
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on March 05, 2016, 10:06:37 PM
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Ursula K. Le Guin's Call to Action for Authors

While accepting the National Book Foundation's Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters, celebrated science fiction and fantasy author Ursula K. Le Guin urges authors to remember why they do what they do. Her argument that writing is an art form rather than a commodity is inspiring and one any avid reader must watch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et9Nf-rsALk
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on March 05, 2016, 10:10:30 PM
also this blog entry:
http://bookviewcafe.com/blog/2015/06/01/up-the-amazon/
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on March 06, 2016, 04:57:16 PM
http://www.onelook.com/reverse-dictionary.shtml

put in your tired, hackneyed word or phrase and get back a list of bright, shiny alternatives.

I looked up "hackneyed" and the list of alternatives contains "shop-worn".  I think I'll use that one!
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on March 06, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4ji0A3k.png)
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on March 08, 2016, 07:24:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yfTbYJw.jpg)
Title: Re: The Creative Process
Post by: oblivion on April 15, 2016, 12:47:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbC4gqZGPSY